I've just friended Nitsan Darshan-Leitner - of Shurat HaDin - on Facebook. I'm delighted because I have immense respect for her work.
But I was shocked to immediately find two Christian postings on her 'wall'. One was overt, promoting pictures of Yoshkie, but the other was, in my opinion, far more dangerous. It was from Thurston McCutchen and it promoted his shabbatshalomlovedone.blogspot.com.
He wrote: "Shalom Nitsana- thanks ! I email a weekly Torah Bible Study called "Shabbat Shalom Loved One!" Interested- email tbmccut@yahoo.com and I'll include U. www.shabbatshalomlovedone.blog​spot.com for past studies. www.seedtime2harvest.com for "About us" info. Blessings to you Nitsana and all your loved ones. Thurston"
I checked out the seedtime2harvest website and found a big picture of a man in a tallit blowing a huge shofar. And then I returned to Nitsana's wall to alert people to the fact that it was not a Jewish but a Christian website and to post links to Aish, Ohr Somayach, Jews for Judaism and BeyondBT.
For someone so concerned about teaching the Hebraic roots of the Christian faith, McCutchen's response to my posts claiming that he didn't know that Nitsana was Jewish and had no intention of proselytising anyone strikes me as disingenuous.
Do you know anything of this man and his organisation?
Any suggestions on how best to respond to such people on FB?

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Just wanted to remind the participants of this forum that last year Jewish Israel ran a post on social networking and missionaries,

Online predators, pornography, identity theft…and Jesus?

At the time, Jews for Judaism ran a very stunning ad which was linked to an article in the Baltimore Jewish Examiner on the issue- which we noted in our post.

There are also some interesting comments under that post that might be worth reviewing.

 

MYA mentioned something that I think is important in his response, and would like to point out - the need to declare said people as missionaries. Most internet evangelists HATE being referred to as tht, since they'd prefer to maintain that they're just being honest with their desire to discuss G-d and Scripture. Most of them aren't being deceptive - they really and truly believe in what they're saying - yet being tagged as a missionary earns a badge that few are comfortable with. We can be nice in discussion forums, yet make it clear - we aren't friends.

Mordechai Yaakov Allen said:

Stefan, it wasn’t merely a “nice analogy”…count the holes in your chest…your losing blood.1

While I am aware of several occupations that require a work day spent on the computer (such as mine, i.e. graphics, writing and illustration), and while I understand that if you were [something like] an HR recruiter or an undercover internet agent you would need to do so, I do have a little trouble imagining stam social networking being a core component of any job.

And…as Moshe V. also implies in his comment…”retreating” isn’t the issue. The issue is Mishlei 17:14 and 26:4-5.

If, after reconsideration of the real issues at stake, you still feel the need to continue on these sites, then I strongly suggest you follow the wise example Jim Long presented in his reply, i.e. “unfriend” the missionary (whatever that means, it seems to follow the halacha). Furthermore, if your concern is for those Jews who are being harassed by missionaries on the social networking sites, model this wisdom before them and advise them to do the same.

Look, I spent thirty years of my adult life missionizing individuals at every opportunity who were willing to debate/argue the issue of salvation, and never was I deterred by “faithless legal issues”. If I didn’t succeed in turning their eyes and hearts to jc, then I succeeded in frustrating them into 1making shaky and embarrassing theological statements and assertions, which, to any audience, weakened and invalidated their position.

Understand this clearly: xians…by any name Ephramite, messianic Jew, etc….have no firm/Biblical rationale on which to base logical apologetics, and are therefore impossible to pin down.  Their air-headed, “faith-based”, chameleon theology changes to suit the challenge. You, unfortunately, do not have that option…you are a Jew. Give your time to Jews.

As their chief Ephramite, messy-antic, Mickey Mouse xian teacher aptly and ironically put it, “let the dead [mice] bury the dead [mice]”.     


Stefan said:

Nice analogy! But the nature of my job means that I'm on the Internet all day and social networking is a core activity. So there's no escaping it. I'm just determined to make the best of it rather than retreat from it.

Mordechai Yaakov Allen said:

A Jew putting him/herself “out there” on Facebook is tantamount to signing-up as goalie for a dart team…what do you expect?

Evangelical xians and messy-antics slobber all over themselves for the chance to “set Jews straight”. They’re sick!

My advice is take the target off your chest! Flush Facebook and any other “social networking” swamp you’ve managed to stumble into.

Thanks Moshe. Good points.

MYA: I work in public relations so, yes, I am on the internet most of the day - and that has to include social networking. No way out of it. But thanks for your concern. And, just to be clear, I'm not 'friends' with any of these missionaries etc; I'm not interested in discussing theology with them only exposing them so that others aren't seduced.

Moshe Verschleisser said:

MYA mentioned something that I think is important in his response, and would like to point out - the need to declare said people as missionaries. Most internet evangelists HATE being referred to as tht, since they'd prefer to maintain that they're just being honest with their desire to discuss G-d and Scripture. Most of them aren't being deceptive - they really and truly believe in what they're saying - yet being tagged as a missionary earns a badge that few are comfortable with. We can be nice in discussion forums, yet make it clear - we aren't friends.

Mordechai Yaakov Allen said:

Stefan, it wasn’t merely a “nice analogy”…count the holes in your chest…your losing blood.1

While I am aware of several occupations that require a work day spent on the computer (such as mine, i.e. graphics, writing and illustration), and while I understand that if you were [something like] an HR recruiter or an undercover internet agent you would need to do so, I do have a little trouble imagining stam social networking being a core component of any job.

And…as Moshe V. also implies in his comment…”retreating” isn’t the issue. The issue is Mishlei 17:14 and 26:4-5.

If, after reconsideration of the real issues at stake, you still feel the need to continue on these sites, then I strongly suggest you follow the wise example Jim Long presented in his reply, i.e. “unfriend” the missionary (whatever that means, it seems to follow the halacha). Furthermore, if your concern is for those Jews who are being harassed by missionaries on the social networking sites, model this wisdom before them and advise them to do the same.

Look, I spent thirty years of my adult life missionizing individuals at every opportunity who were willing to debate/argue the issue of salvation, and never was I deterred by “faithless legal issues”. If I didn’t succeed in turning their eyes and hearts to jc, then I succeeded in frustrating them into 1making shaky and embarrassing theological statements and assertions, which, to any audience, weakened and invalidated their position.

Understand this clearly: xians…by any name Ephramite, messianic Jew, etc….have no firm/Biblical rationale on which to base logical apologetics, and are therefore impossible to pin down.  Their air-headed, “faith-based”, chameleon theology changes to suit the challenge. You, unfortunately, do not have that option…you are a Jew. Give your time to Jews.

As their chief Ephramite, messy-antic, Mickey Mouse xian teacher aptly and ironically put it, “let the dead [mice] bury the dead [mice]”.     


Stefan said:

Nice analogy! But the nature of my job means that I'm on the Internet all day and social networking is a core activity. So there's no escaping it. I'm just determined to make the best of it rather than retreat from it.

Mordechai Yaakov Allen said:

A Jew putting him/herself “out there” on Facebook is tantamount to signing-up as goalie for a dart team…what do you expect?

Evangelical xians and messy-antics slobber all over themselves for the chance to “set Jews straight”. They’re sick!

My advice is take the target off your chest! Flush Facebook and any other “social networking” swamp you’ve managed to stumble into.

This is part of a movement of Torah observant Christians. They act as if they are Christians trying to discover their Jewish roots and worship as Jesus did. They don the paraphenalia of Judaism, and study from "Jewish" prayer books that include Jesus in their writings. In my investigation of these groups and this one in particular, they are disingenuous and have the same goals as messianic "Jewish" congregations. Be very wary of them. You can read more about Torah Observant Christians on my blog site, www.keepingjudaismjewish.com
Zahava Pasternak said:

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